In PX15 Jess and Peter interview Shelley Penn who has recently been appointed to head the City Design Studio at Melbourne City Council. Shelley has worked in a range of private and government roles and has been included in the list of the top one hundred most influential contemporary Australian women. Shelley brings a critical analysis to the challenges associated with creating good buildings and enjoyable city spaces. Music: Intro - Breezy House by Qronix. Outro: Intentions by Frames and Elizabeth Rose. Podcast released in March 2016. For more details see www.planningxchange.org.